played with woody herman
http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleid.17102/article_detail.asp
"GARMENT: No, and I�m happy I haven�t become a competent liar. But I don�t just get up there piously, pompously blurting out the truth all the time. There is a time to speak out, a time for silence, a time for gentle semantic evasion because the world does not have square corners. I�m sure I�ve said some things that could be classified as lies, but I think they were justified by the situation."
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GARMENT: The moral Presidents are truly catastrophic in handling the government�s business, which is to do difficult things in a dangerous and immoral world: people like Jimmy Carter and Woodrow Wilson and others who would be custodians of national morality. "